The Seeker: Dolly Parton Found Love in Cast-Offs, Kids, ALL Parties, Genders + Kinds

Phoners are easy. The person on the other end usually can’t tell how gob-smacked you are, and I worked hard at maintaining my composure as a 19-year old student freelancing for, well, a lot of people.

But Dolly Parton? Holy smokes. It might’ve been Heartbreaker, which had the post-feminist vertigo of loneliness-versus-one-night-stands “Single Women” or the mélange of California and Appalachian country shot through with pop Burlap & Satin. But somehow the RCA Nashville people had put me on the schedule.

The voice that came down the line was as warm and friendly as could be. This was the woman who’d knocked me out in “9 To 5,” playing the kind of secretary who needs the job, loves dressing up and is a target for jealous women’s scorn and entitled men’s advances. Never mind that the song – a thumping build about punching the clock while striving for better -- was more infectious than the common cold; country yes, but a Billboard No. 1 Top 40 hit and an Oscar nominee.

The album that song was planted on had the most heart-rending version of Woody Guthrie’s “Deportee (Wreck at Los Gatos),” as well as the homesick “Detroit City,” her own “Poor Folks’ Town” and a haunted “House of the Rising Son.” If she was calling to give me the rah-rah new album spiel, which I’d seen her do ebulliently on the talk shows, I wanted her heart.

“You really think about this stuff, don’t you?” she asked, clearly amused.

“Well, I think you’re so good, and such a smart writer. You’re kind of amazing, the way you recognize hardship, but never give into it. You’re like Bruce Springsteen, giving dignity to people who work so hard.”

She muffled a giggle. “Nobody’s ever compared me to Bruce Springsteen before,” she replied, possibly delighted. “And I don’t know about all that. I try to write what I know, what I see – and be real and true to those things. You know, I was raised to tell the truth…”

I did. I knew her grandpa was a preacher. I wanted to ask how they felt about all that make-up, the high, high heels and the low cut tops, but that was rude – back in the day when propriety existed and internet churn didn’t scratch off every last bit of decorum.

We talked about feminism, how she didn’t think about it, so much as live it. “Performative representation” didn’t exist yet, but I could tell that’s what she was getting at. She didn’t moan or groan about how hard it was – all propers to Tammy Wynette – to be a woman, but she shot me straight about the reality of dignity, self-respect, but getting what you need.

I loved her even more! Starstruck as I was to get that phone call, I hung up thrilled. Her writing – on the albums I’d found at swap meets – often landed between John Steinbeck, Flannery O’Connor Willia Cather and Harper Lee. Vivid stories, small details, tragic circumstances – all drawn so clearly you could close your eyes and see “Me & Little Andy” on that porch, the exhausted mother finally leaving her indifferent husband in “To Daddy,” the scorned female pushing back for tasting life’s pleasures in “Just Because I’m A Woman,” the gratitude in poverty of “Coat of Many Colors” – gave her the same visceral thrust as the great populist writers of the South and beyond.

Growing up in Cleveland, I’d seen her syndicated tv show, the one where she sang “Love Is Like a Butterfly” with her fluttering soprano, blond hair all curled and massive, face painted to perfection. I didn’t know then that she’d been drawn to the glitter of the town hooker as her design key; her Maybelline glamour spoke volumes about being fancy right where you were.

When Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris, two rock/country artists I was obsessed with, did the show, I turned down every invitation that Saturday night, so I could sprawl on the floor of my parents’ room and watch them play Carter Family songs, country gospel and Parton’s spirited “Apple Jack,” as she picked a banjo.  

Exotic. Otherworldly. Those Appalachia’s contradictions played out in Glenwillow, Ohio where my uncle’s fuse factory was surrounded by fields and black Angus cattle. People often moved from West Virginia to work there, the threat of the tumblers sometimes exploding wasn’t nearly as daunting as Black Lung disease. Those Russian roulette of options gave people license to feel things, live deeply – whether faith or flesh – and put it all out there.

“The Sweetest Gift (A Mother’s Smile)” would end up on Linda Ronstadt’s Prisoner in Disguise. Those three voices again, so narcotic and swollen in the best way. Harris was pure silver, Ronstadt good merlot. But Parton was absolute sunshine and ether.

They showed – in their hippie finery, mall Cub Scout uniforms and Parton’s dimestore glam – that people had more in common than you’d think. Seek it out, blend it, find the special. It set me on a path as a writer to not label, but consider what could be, what had been and what mattered not just about the artist, but to the people who loved them.

It wasn’t until those three women united for the Trio project, the mythic album that almost was, then wasn’t, then… in 1985… appeared. One of ten journalists selected to interview all three women at the Universal Hilton, a photo call that was a blinding spectacle of flashes from every direction as the three women sat together for a photo cattle call, followed by one-on-ones in separate suites.

Flown in from West Palm Beach, it was high impact that was faster, more aggressive. The frenzy driven by the money to be made from those pictures, everyone snapping as many frames as possible was unnerving. But seeing these three women who’d become a Holy Trinity of so much I held musically sacred calmed my nerves.

Even finding my altitude, walking into a suite where Parto. in a little skirt, a black turtleback and all that hair piled up and falling down, sat was a full stop. So beautiful, so porcelain-complected, with the delicate cheekbones and the sparkle in her eyes, she was fairy goddess mother pretty in a way you can’t prepare for.

Because I was writing for so many publications – Tower Records’ Pulse, MIX, Palm Beach Post-Miami News-Atlanta Journal Constitution, Cleveland Plain Dealer, several regional music magazines and Country Song Round-Up – the handlers decided my questions would be musically-engaged enough to give a Japanese writer with limited English meaningful content.

“Well, hey, everybody,” Dolly said, smiling at us both. I smiled, said, “Yes” and the Japanese writer bowed a few times. Taking control, she asked, “How’s this gonna work?”

“I think I’m supposed to ask most of the questions. Is that right?” I asked the other writer. He nodded.

“Well, okay, cause if you can’t get a word in, I’d throw you a line…” she joked to the other writer.

I made a face. “Really?”

“You’re that smart little girl from Miami,” she said. I blushed. Did they keep records about this stuff?

“You remember?”

“I don’t get questions like that a lot,” she offered. “I asked about you when we were done.”

“Ahhhh, I hope you weren’t annoyed.”

We had 15 or 20 minutes. Trio, which was practically a hope chest of American musical styles, amassed a treasure trove. Beyond those ethereal harmonies, Trio showed how women’s voices can soothe (“To Know Him Is To Love Him,”) haunt (“Those Memories of You”), heal (“Farther Along”) and embrace forebears including folk’s Jeanie Ritchie (“My Dear Companion), yodeling Jimmie Rodgers (“Hobo’s Meditation”) and the traditional (“Rosewood Casket”). Smithsonian in how lovingly they delved into what was, they elevated in the way the songs came to life.

For Parton, it was a trip to Sevier County, where she grew up one of 12 children. Harvesting all the styles of mountain music, church music, the bluegrass and country that was performed on WIVK’s early morning “Cas Walker Show.” These songs were in her DNA, and when she talked about straddling the worlds of big time show business versus being dirt poor and dreaming big, the fervor for what those songs gave her was palpable.

That night, there was a party for the writers in the Presidential Suite. Being from out-of-town, Bob Merlis or maybe Ronna Rubin asked if I’d like one of the ladies’ suites. OMG! Of course I would. My boyfriend and I would later bounce on the beds and order French fries from room service like we were Eloise at the Plaza; but in this moment, I was a journalist.

“Can I make a request?” I asked, since things were going my way. “Would it be possible to go to ‘The Tonight Show’ with you all? Let me come watch for color for at least a couple of the stories.”

A quick conference, a fast yes. The details were given to myself and Dan Einstein, my boyfriend, who they sensed would map it for me. The plan was simple. Meet in the lobby of Warner Bros Burbank’s redwood chalet-looking headquarters.

When we arrived, the women hadn’t yet come down from – if I remember – Lenny Waronker or Mo Ostin’s office. Soundcheck had to be done, as Ronstadt was notoriously meticulous, so it would just be a few minutes.

The trouble was: the paparazzi had gotten wind of where the ladies were. Ronstadt’s dating life – a spectacular feast of the best available men –  made her a target. The longer it took them to arrive, the bigger the crowd became.

Finally they arrived with a few handlers, Rubin, Merlis, Gloria Boyce for Ronstadt. Another quick conference, lots of head-shaking. Clearly each lady had their own way of dealing with what would be supermarket check-out scandal or salaciousness.

Emmylou offered to go first. In her Manuel blazer and rhinestoned cowgirl boots, she walked past the fray, offered a slight smile and was let into the limo. Not too bad, and nobody got hurt.

Parton looked around, as if to say “I got this.” Secretly, people were hoping the crowd would dissipate once they got their Dolly images. Smoothing her skirt, she put on that 40,000 watt smile, someone swung the heavy door and she stepped onto the top step. Walking forward a bit, she turned, said, “Hey, everybody…” and waved.

She pivoted into a variation on the same pose with the other side forward. Maybe she tossed her head back a little bit. The clicking of all the cameras sounded like a rat stampede from a sinking ship or burning building.

Maybe a minute, minute-fifteen. Parton started moving forward and the shooters split to let her pass. Turning before she sank into the limousine like a ribbon falling to the floor, she waved again and said, “Thank you.”

They’d already turned to get ready for Ronstadt. Shy, avoidant, she was their target. With a jacket over her bobbed hair, magazines held open over her head and a few people all around, they charged towards the car as the photographers chased them.

Knowing they’d fly towards W. Alameda, Boulevard where NBC’s West Coast studios were located, we raced to my mosquito rental car – jumped in, prepared to chase the limo. We needed to be in the convoy, or we wouldn’t get behind the studio gates.

Mission accomplished, we walked to the soundstage, found seats and waited as the ladies got touched up.  Even with long sleeves, it was cold. Cold enough to keep you awake like Waffle House, 3 a.m. cold.

When the women came down for soundcheck, the staff wasn’t quite ready. Seeing a chance, I wandered over to Parton. Thanking her for the interview, I asked if I could ask a question maybe not for the story, but to understand.

“Sure, hon…,” she ventured.

“When all those paparazzi were out there,” I started, “and clearly they came for the pictures, it was scary watching what happened to Linda. How were you as cool as a cucumber?”

She looked at me, considering. Context, I thought, offer context.

“Growing uo, you lived literally in my grocery store check-out line. Every week, it was something.  Never your music, always some heartbreak, are they real, what’s going on… You have to see it, too.” She nodded as I continued, “It seems like something that could make you crazy.”

That’s when she laughed. “And you want to know why I walk out there so calmly?”

“Yes, I guess, I do. It feels… I’m not sure.”

“Well, here’s how I see it,” she said patiently. “All of those people out there with the cameras, they’re just trying to feed their families. That’s their job, the work they do – and they’re going to do it.” I nodded along.

“I can put up a fuss, make it hard for them to get their picture. But then I lose. They may lose, too, because they don’t have anything they can sell, but I definitely don’t win if they’ve only got ugly pictures. So, I’m being practical – make sure the pictures are flattering – and I’m recognizing this is what they do, so I might as well respect that.”

She looked out at the band, which was assembling. I couldn’t believe I was talking to her, and she was so honest about something I had no business asking. But no publicist had swept in to stop me, no harried look crossed her face.

To my left, I heard a man’s voice: “Dolly.” It was Johnny Carson with two English bulldogs on leashes. Leaving me, she went over and started talking to the host, bending down to scratch the dogs’ heads. They laughed, talked back and forth just like old friends or neighbors do. Someone mentioned Carson rarely came to rehearsal...

When the women took their places, it was wonderous. Those harmonies felt heaven sent. Sitting in an empty studio, chin resting on my knuckles, I couldn’t believe my life. Never mind the thousands upon thousands of words I’d need to write for the privilege of being here; telling the story in so many different ways was its own privilege.

And what stood out was how normally these women moved through the magic, too. All deeply committed to their craft, their sense of self and who they were informed the musical choices they made; for Parton, the songs she also wrote.

Never mind they were each defining sex symbols for varying stripes of culture, they transcended the objectification and delivered a sense of beauty that was artful. To look at them was to see the ripeness of creative spirits contained in some pretty fabulous bodies.

Over the years, I’d interview Dolly off and on, cover stories for Saturday Evening Post, touring trade POLLSTAR and insiders music trade HITS, Nashville’s homeless bimonthly paper The Contributor, which was syndicated globally and nominated for the International Network of Street Papers’ Best Cultural Reporting/Best Feature for “Dolly Parton Has Always Been for the Underdog.” We spoke for major daily papers, Tower Records Pulse, CD Now. Different perspectives, ways of looking at the woman, the music, the meaning. But always the positivity, the standing up for the little guy, the pushed down, the unseen underscored everything.

Sometimes those talks were by phone. Other times, in Hollywood power-manager Sandy Gallin’s fancy office, high above Santa Monica Boulevard, her childhood friend – and aide de camp -- Judy Ogle stood close by. Even after plenty of movies, the massive crossover duets and tours with Kenny Rogers, including their still ubiquitous “Islands in the Stream,” she kept home close.

She understood the power of presence. One year in a long-sleeved beaded white tulip hemmed gown, she delivered “He’s Alive” with such fervor on the “CMA Awards,” it felt like the massive choir might levitate. That spark of faith defined the granddaughter of a small-town Southern preacher as much as the bawdy one-liners that made her Carson’s perennial favorite – and a cynical industry crowd swept to their feet in what felt like genuine rapture.

The transformative power of Dolly Parton was matched only by her generosity in the moment. People know about the Imagination Library, which has sent children from newborn through five years old a book every month – over 300 million strong – around the globe. Inspired by her father, who couldn’t read, she wanted all children to not just have the opportunity, but the love for reading.

Dollywood, with its water flume, downhome food and music shows in the Smoky Mountains, was only a fitting tribute for the woman’s rhinestone-reality, which cried out for a larger than life expression. But it also created jobs for where she grew up. Practical skills, whether training for a life in entertainment as CMA Female Vocalist Carly Pearce and the Ryman-introduced jukebox musical “Always Patsy” Patsy Cline originator Mandy Barnett, or basic business functions, were as much what the park stood for as the families enjoying something a far more affordable than Disneyworld.

Even her donation of a million dollars to help fast track Moderna’s COVID vaccine, and being public enough that people who were afraid could say, “Well, Dolly did…” or championing the LGBTQ community long before there were Pride Days, put her on the cutting edge of tolerance and acceptance. She never told people what to do – but she tried to crack open the door to compassion, grace, even kindness for anyone who needed a hand.

When 1993’s Slow Dancing With the Moon was getting ready to drop, she’d captured the moment by adding blazing hot Billy Ray Cyrus to her Mary Chapin Carpenter-Kathy Mattea-Mary Chapin Carpenter girl anthem “Romeo.” With her little chuckle and wide-open sense of humor, she’d written the line, “I may not be in love, but let me tell you I’m in heat…”

Qu’elle scandal! Innocent naughtiness, but somehow a radio programmer got his panties in a twist. Joe Casey, the ferocious, sometimes gun-toting Columbia Nashville promo head, was incensed. “Who’d do that to Dolly?” he fumed. “And who would be mad if she did?”

“I have an idea,” I said. Telling Mike Martinovich, the music-forward SVP of Marketing, I had a plan, I went to to write a press release. Back then, releases were FAXed to the recipients, often individually. Pick your targets, send across the telephone lines. Follow up if needed.

Around 10 pm, Steve Buckingham, Columbia’s head of A&R and Parton’s producer, came back from a session. Backtracking when he heard the sound of outgoing FAXes, he inquired increduously, “What are you doing?”

“Creating a controversy,” I grinned. “Just wait.”

The next morning, “Dolly Parton: BANNED” was everywhere. The response from America was immediate. I’m not sure the station added the song, but the solidarity with Parton was absolute. Clearly, she got a kick out of it.

At the video shoot, with the suddenly-superstar Cyrus being circled by tabloids, Parton called me over to ask if I was the girl who’d struck up all that controversy. I nodded. She laughed. She said, “Well, good work…” She knew the value of being newsworthy, but also keeping one’s sense of humor and not taking it to heart.

It didn’t seem like that big a thing. Until I realized, she was showing the sex symbol rising that controversy and tabloid-ery didn’t have to be a bad thing; it’s all how you look at it. On that set, she was a broker of joviality, sisterhood and the kind of irony that saw her walking off the leading man because “after all, I am paying for all of this.”

But her sharing the spotlight – and the knowing wink – didn’t stop there. As Slow Dancing’s tv tour began, “I Will Always Love You,” the aching ballad written as Parton severed her business relationship with Porter Wagoner, was having a second life. Dominating pop radio as Whitney Houston’s tour du force performance from “The Bodyguard,” it registered 14 consecutive weeks at No. 1!

Everywhere people were dying to talk about the song, success, and her songwriting. Dolly steadfastly refused to make a fuss, even though this was a song Elvis had wanted to cut and she’d refused as his people had asked for the publishing. Finally getting its moment, that wasn’t what she was concerned about.

Leaving “The View” en route to “The Joan Rivers Show,” I had to ask. The song was masterful in eschewing blame, hurt, any emotion beyond love, it offered a masterclass in appreciation for what was. Tilting her head, she looked at me like I’d told her the sun was green.

“But Holly, this is Whitney’s moment,” she said kindly. “I don’t want to step in the middle of her success. She doesn’t need me glomming onto her light, and I’m so happy for her, I just want to let her have all the attention.”

So many artists, especially losing out on a coveted Elvis Presley cut, would’ve marched around in a sandwich board with a bass drum. Not Dolly. She had enough. Let the woman who’d sung the song with such soul-searing power have the roses.

The roses were what she was always ready to spread. “Eagle When She Flies,” a mid-90s hit of female empowerment, measured the potency of what women were made of. Not a checklist or a daisy chain of cliches, she took the toughness and strength that set women apart, put it across a soaring melody and stitched it together with the tenderness and vulnerability that made women empathetic.

It’s why when radio wasn’t so available to artists – Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson, who’d come to Nashville in the ‘60s trying to make a name at the same time she had – of a certain age, she enlisted her cousin Richie Owens and made Hungry Again. Returning to her Tennessee Mountain Home cabin in the Smokeys, she found her muse, writing so many songs that came straight from her roots.

Inspired, she signed with Americana stalwart Sugarhill Records, stripped things back, turned inward as a writer. She made bluegrass with The Grass Is Blue and the Appalachian, grass’n’gospel Little Sparrow, the latter containing Collective Soul’s “Shine,” which won the Country Female Vocal Performance Grammy. Later came Americana albums, modern Dolly country, songwriter stuff, intriguing covers  – but always with a sense her narrative and truth was a mirror for anyone looking to be more in spite of how the cards might’ve been dealt.

Halos & Horns had a version of “Stairway To Heaven,” because her husband Carl Dean loved rock & roll. Her voice gave it that ethereal mountain folk that permeated much of Led Zeppelin’s oeuvre. Backwoods Barbie’s title track told the story of an aesthetic sense that allowed even poor girls to have some flash’n’glam; the perfect song for a girl who’d use wild berries to blush her cheeks and lips.

Let the business do what it would, Dolly was more creative than she’d ever been. For the woman who’d made her acting debut opposite double Academy Award winner Jane Fonda and double Tony, Grammy and Emmy winner Lily Tomlin in “9 To 5,” a working class comedy about secretaries standing up for themselves, then holding down a smalltown beauty shop in “Steel Magnolias” opposite Sally Field, Shirley McClain, Olympia Dukakis and breaking out Julia Roberts and Daryl Hanna, Parton came real and embodied the pragmatic spunk and kindness of generations of Southern women most people never saw.

Yes, she would make caricature-troping films, including “The Best Little Whorehouse” opposite Burt Reynolds and “Rhinestone” with Sylvester Stallone. But for Parton, it was both the reach and the storytelling that showed how she felt about the world

Whether starring in or producing movies, especially the Jennifer Anniston Netflix  project, “Dumplin,’” about a former beauty queen mom with a chunky daughter and the drag queens who transform the girl with enough je ne sais crois and self-esteem to demonstrate how beautiful we all are, Parton wasn’t just about the art, but the empowerment. It’s the practical wisdom, as much as the magic, that made her such a favorite.

That was secret sauce: Dolly was the embodiment of St Francis of Assisi’s Prayer. Quick to share, always willing to speak up for those who couldn’t be heard. When Nashville’s homeless paper The Contributor dispatched me to interview her, she wanted to know what I’d been doing. Showing her Woman Walk The Line: How the Women of Country Music Changed Our Lives, she didn’t just pose with the book, she insisted I get in the picture.

She loved everything about that cover story, headlined, “Dolly Parton Has Always Been For the Underdog.” Championing the less fortunate in a bi-monthly sold on street corners across Music City, she gave dignity to people reclaiming their lives. Her candor on tolerance, grace, giving people the help they need earned the piece a Best Cultural Reporting/Best Feature nomination alongside stories at the global International Network of Street Papers Awards, having also run in similar publications across Europe, Asia, Canada and Australia.

When Dolly was voted into the Rock Hall and attempted to turn the honor down, she finally found someone who wouldn’t buckle. She was going in, like it or not, whether it made sense to her – or left her concerned about the deserving person not being inducted because she was.

Talking to her for a POLLSTAR cover, she was hilarious explaining herself. Even though she’d covered REO Speedwagon, Billy Joel, Bon Jovi (“Lay Your Hands On Me” was more healing than salacious), John Lennon, Bob Dylan and others, she had a strong sense of “what” rock was.

“You tell me,” she said, as we unpacked the attributes that made her rock. It was easy: the absolute conviction about what her music – and worth – was, dressing to please herself in spite of naysayers, sex positivity, candor, the unbridled way she put herself across onstage.

Most likely not wanting to listen to a laundry list of her attributes. Finally, she surrendered, “Okay, OKAY.”

Then she cracked open her real purpose. “I’m going to make a rock & roll record,” she began. “If they’re going to put me in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, then I’m gonna earn it and deserve it! You think I can?”

What couldn’t this woman do? Beyond bringing people together regardless of politics, religion, gender definition, sexual orientation, color, age or favorite kind of music, people agreed on – and with – Dolly. Could she? Of course. Would she? I hoped so, if only for the love of Carl Dean.

Rock Star landed one year after a ceremony-closing induction performance that saw Rob Halford, Judas Priest’s fiery leader transformed into a lamb who gazed adoringly at Dolly during an all-star “Jolene,” which also featured Annie Lennox, Pink, Sheryl Crow, Brandi Carlile, Duran Duran’s Simon LeBon and Pat Benatar. Many of those artists, as well as a redux of her “Freebird” recording with Lynyrd Skynyrd, John Fogerty, Ann Wilson of Heart, Lizzo, John Fogerty, Halford, Joan Jett, Debbie Harry, Steven Tyler, Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, and Stevie Nicks signed on.

Even more than the guests, Parton delivered the goods. Not that there was a doubt. After appearing at the Rock Hall Induction in a skin-tight patent leather catsuit with chains and a low slung guitar. This was a fait a compli, delivered beyond people’s wildest expectations.

She was tickled the rock people wanted to sing with her. She didn’t feel entitled, but loved every  interaction, sopping up things they did to thread into her own purview.

There would be a Broadway musical based on the songs; coffee based on the line “Pour yourself a cup of ambition” from “9 To 5”; three New York Times best-sellers, about songwriting, about her clothes and the live moments; a truck stop in East Tennessee to rival Buc-Eees; a line of Doggy Parton pet supples.

Indeed, the inspiration for the White Limozeen bar at Nashville’s Graduate gave way to the development of The Songteller Hotel with the Dolly Parton Museum on the third floor. There are cake and biscuit mixes; frozen meals; Hallmark Cards and even more music.

Whether playing the Glastonbury Festival in the UK, where she wowed the crowd on a gray day, welcoming people to Dollywood or doing the talk show circuit for a project, she was always utterly, absolutely real. For someone in 5” heels, cotton candy hair and perfect make-up, the amazement is how those things aren’t oxymorons, but absolute truth.

Mostly, it’s the deep desire to make a difference for people. When a publicist at a label Parton had recorded for slid into very early dementia, then outlived the life plan her caregivers had worked out with social services, the imminent threat of a state facility for a pretty 50-something woman seemed real. Reaching out to people who might help, Parton’s team was top of my ask list; two hours after I hit send, a $15,000 anonymous donation hit the GoFundMe page. BOOM!

Patty Loveless, the Country Music Hall of Fame member, who’d met Dolly as a preternaturally talented 11-, 12-year old who’d taken the Greyhound from Kentucky with her older brother to try to get their foot in the door, was taken under Parton’s wing while Parton was still singing with Porter Wagoner. As much an older sister to the starstruck girl, she offered insight and wisdom, as well as make-up tips without ever being heavy handed.

Loveless, whose own husband has been plagued with health issues, understood Dolly pulling back to care for Dean after 59 years of marriage. People you love aren’t hand off to people who don’t know your loved ones.

“I get it,”  she texted. Along with a picture of them singing together at Wagoner’s 50th Opry Anniversary. Both women looked so euphoric, so alive, I smiled.

We finished texting. I started getting calls about interviews for me to do, friends in shock. I had an essay to write, things to say, music to make sure people heard. And then, like Mojo Nixon, Raul Malo, Jeremy Tepper, Dave Marsh, people who were all so alive, such beacons of where to fly and how to get there, it hit me: she’s gone.

Dolly Parton, maybe the most present tense person in the world, would never have an active verb again. She’d slipped into the rhinestones, stars being too mundane. No doubt her faith took her straight to the Pearly Gates, past St Michael and into the arms of grace, God and Carl Dean. Her parents and siblings, grandparents, favorite people were no doubt all there.

Maybe that’s “super active tense,” where she can be extra present in multiple places. If Dolly Parton was a saint on earth, someone who loved all kinds, not just people like her, then getting her wings allows her to swoop in, drop some pixie dust or a miracle and cut through the mortal coils that bind and undermine us.

Wishful thinking maybe. But as her songs shoot to the top of the streaming charts, as people talk about what she meant and what she valued, I wouldn’t bet against it. If anyone can change hearts and minds from the other side, it’s Dolly Parton. Don’t think she’s ready to retire just because she’s gone to heaven.

24 August 2026
www.hollygleason.com

 

MOMENTS OF FOREVER: Kris Kristofferson's Love for ALL Defines His Llife

Willie and Kris were playing the Miami Marine Stadium, basically covered bleachers on a small inlet that ran along Key Biscayne. It was a scrubby situation, designed for South Florida rednecks to watch speed boats race and take jumps, just metal bleachers with an overhang to keep their hangovers from baking them out of their mortal coil in the scorching Saturday high noon sun.

The stage set on pontoons. The backstage was a couple of low rent yachts.

When the call from the promoter came – “Would you like to interview Kris Kristofferson?” – I couldn’t say “Yes” fast enough. He seemed surprised. Kristofferson had become an actor and an activist, far more than a songwriter or rock star. I was the cred freelancer covering country, black and rock of a certain stripe.

How do you tell a middle-aged white guy you and one of your friends once cut out of school one afternoon, took two Rapid Transit trains to Van Aken Center to watch the afternoon showing of “A Star Is Born”? Explaining that his swagger, shirtless or in a poet’s blouse was dangerous, bravado forward, but poetically elegant would be moot. He was a pirate, a rock star, a gypsy and a man who took great risks, reached deeper into the human condition and offered up the pivot points of pain, dignity and courage without furrowing his brow.

Heck, my father started telling me about Kris Kristofferson when I was a kid, propped between my parents watching “The Johnny Cash Show.” Landed a helicopter on Cash’s lawn to give him a tape. Janis Joplin’s last hit – the one after she died – was a Kristofferson song. He understood addicts, alcoholics and washed out losers in a way that meant they weren’t actually born to lose.

Oh, and he’d gone to Oxford.

Yeah, I wanted to interview Kristofferson, whose music career was sagging, but whose mark on American songwriting was already indelible. Rushing to the morgue to pull the clip file, I blessed the Miami Herald’s Fred Burger, who’d covered so many of the Outlaws and other progressive country acts with a matching eloquence. He not only had several pieces, he’d seen to it that the artists he thought were important had clips from other sources in there as well.

Reading, reading, reading. Boxing, the Air Force, a Rhodes scholarship, William Blake, a teaching appointment, flying out to oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico for extra money, parents hated the idea he would give up his legacy to write songs. Janitor at CBS Studios, where Bob Dylan was recording; dreamer who kept handing out demos, making friends with Willie, Cash, Waylon, Roger Miller, all the other travelers seeking to make a more elevated, sophisticated kind of lyricism with an even simpler melodic zone.

When the call came through, I was ready.

Scrawling my own kind of shorthand, the voice was ruddy, rich, warm, like a savory biscuit slathered in  something delicious, something like apple butter. He was laughing a bit, telling his stories, thinking about some of my questions, really honoring my curiosity. And that’s when I shot my shot.

“So what was it like, studying with William Blake?”
“Excuse me,” he said, tone twisting around itself a bit.

“William Blake, you studied with him…” pause, then adding helpfully, “at Oxford.”
“I’m sorry…” the voice on the other end was puzzled, then a giant laugh rolled down the phone.

“No, no, you studied with William Blake,” I protested. “It’s in the morgue.”
“Honey,” he said, tamping down his chuckle, “William Blake is DEAD.”
“I, uh, uhm,” the mortification was immediate. “Can you give me one second?”

“Sure, honey,” he graciously responded. “Take your time.”

Head down on the classical writer James Roos’ desk, I silent screamed like I was auditioning for a slasher film. And then I did it again, and again, and a fourth time. Exhaling, knowing I needed to pull it together because my 20 or 30 minutes was evaporating, I closed my eyes and reminded myself I might be 19, but I am a professional.

“I am so sorry,” I began picking up the phone. Kristofferson kept laughing. “I am so embarrassed. I was reading all the clips, and I swear, it was there… I didn’t just make it up.”
“Holly,” he said, cutting me off at the pass, “can I ask you a question?”
“Sure.” At this point, he could end the interview. It would’ve been deserved.

“When was the last time – do you think – someone asked me about William Blake?”
I was silent. I had no idea. I didn’t want to make it worse.

“You there?”

“Yes, I’m here.”
The voice was kind, not chiding. He obviously recognized how stupid I felt. It appeared he felt for me: a young writer at a good paper who made a gaffe of Olympic measure. “Holly, I’ll make this simple: no one ever asks me about William Blake. I’m not sure most of the journalists I speak with even realize I know classic English poetry.

“The fact you did? You get all kinds of points for that.”

We talked for another 30 minutes; far longer than was booked, so he could answer all my questions. The story was good enough, it made the cover of the Weekend section, I believe left well and above the fold; though it might’ve been the entire bottom third all the way across.

Before he hung up, he asked another question. “You coming to the show?,” which I was.

“Okay, then do me a favor. I’m going to leave you a couple passes. I want you to come back and say, ‘hi.’ Can you do that?”

“Uh, sure,” I said, knowing full well rock stars never remember. They don’t. Ever.

Until I got to the box office. Not only were the seats the first row that rose up so you could see over the four or five rows on the flat, but there were the two backstage passes. My second fiancee, twice my age and never one to come to shows, looked at me with a cockeyed grin.

“Well, Gleason, look at that. Passes! You must’ve made an impression.”
I’d not told Jason about making an ass of myself, played it off as the promoter being grateful. My fiancée, who loved Willie and Kris, said, “Well, you need to go back there, say ‘hello.’ I think it’s important. Those are really serious artists…”
“Are you going to come?” That might’ve been even more embarrassing.

“No, I’m not going to come. Some things in this world, you need to do on your own. You need to walk back there and be Holly Gleason, the writer from the Miami Herald.”

“Yeah, okay, I’ll think about it.”
I was definitely not going back there. Sitting quietly, wondering when the show – a good 15, 20 yards away from us – was going to start. John Valentino, the dark, lion-haired promoter rep, was suddenly squatting down by my seat. He was smiling. “Hey, somebody backstage wants to meet you. I’m supposed to bring you back to say ‘Hi.’”

“Gosh, it’s awful close to showtime.”
“Yeah, I don’t think the show’s starting ‘til you get back there.”
Slowly I rose, grabbed my purse and fell in behind the nicest man in South Florida concert promotion, who told me how much he loved my story. He remarked that everyone attached to the show really loved it, so he was glad they sent him out to get me.

“Yeah, yeah,” I said, clearly out of sorts. Pontoons on a choppy bay are no fun to walk on. Holding the ropes, feeling like my knees were buckling, I would lurch forward, hoping I didn’t fall straight into JV. When we finally climbed up on the stage, he took my hand, guided me around to the back and waved towards a gang plank down onto a boat. “Go ahead.”
Standing right where you’d step off, in a black tshirt and jeans, sinewy, slightly salt in his pepper and oozing charisma, Kris Kristofferson went, “Well, you must be Holly! And you look even younger than you sound.”

“I’m 19,” I said, used to people assuming a Herald writer must be in their 30s. “Hello…”
I put my hand out, he pulled into a hug. A big, friendly, warm and loving favorite uncle hug.

“That’s more like it,” he said. “And I wanna look you in the eye, and tell you that’s one damned fine piece of writing. I can’t believe you got all that from the scraps of conversation we had.”
He was smart: get me talking about the art of writing. Suddenly, we were writers, not a kid and an icon-in-the-making.  By leveling up, he made the awkward disappear.

“Are you kidding? Those answers were great. Your story’s amazing. And I got to write about all your songs, the way you use words. How could it not be great?” I asked.

“You’d be surprised,” he said a little too knowingly. I was young enough to not realize how cynical and crummy journalists could be once the white-hot moment had passed.
“I guess, but I still think if the songs are good, the conversation is excellent, the writing should lift itself.”
“You might think, but I promise: it doesn’t. You write like this at 19, I don’t know what you’re majoring in, but you should think about being a writer. You can write, and I know that’s not even what you’re studying.”
Holy crap! He remembered. He remembered me telling him my Dad wouldn’t let me study journalism or English, because I was a published writer from the time I was 14. Whoa.

The tour manager stuck his head over the side. “You ready?”
“I guess so,” he said. Then he looked at me. “Wanna watch from the side?”

“Hell yes,” I thought, but wanted to act cool. I said, “That would be nice.”
It was an open stage. I figured my boyfriend would see me. If he got mad and left, I’d figure out how to get home. Right now, I was going to stand a few feet away from Kris Kristofferson, so lean and cool, and watch him sing “Help Me Make It Through The Night,” “Sunday Morning Coming Down,” “The Silver Tongued Devil and I,” even “Jesus Was A Capricorn.”

Tasting the salt in the air, a tropical breeze blew across the stage and pushed his shaggy hair off his face. He really was beautiful, even more beautiful than in the movies. But his passion when he sang those songs, the vulnerability and willingness to show the broken places was mind-blowing. And talking about going to church with a lady named Connie Smith, walking to the altar and falling to his knees inspiring “Why Me, Lord?,” it opened a portal into blessings where it's all falling apart.

He and the band tromped offstage. They swept me up with them, then Kristofferson cut me from the pack. “C’mon,” he said, and walked me over to the other boat.

“Willie, this is the writer I was telling you about.”
Nelson was sitting with the writer from the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel. He smiled and nodded. “Come sit,” he said. “Visit for a few minutes.”
Kristofferson bounced off the boat, probably to towel off from the swelter. Willie Nelson, his braids shorn into a flat top, looked exactly like my grandfather who’d just died. I was dumb struck, literally unable to speak.
“That was a fine piece you wrote,” he said. “Kris said he thought you were young. I don’t think anyone thought you were…”
“This young?” I managed. “Weird, ‘cause we talked about school.”
“Sometimes the details don’t register.”
“I get that.”
“It’s really about the work.”
“I get that, too.” Never have I struggled so hard to stay in a conversation.

When the promoter came to take us away, he was buoyant. “I am so proud of you,” JV said. “I am so proud you wrote a piece that made them want to meet you.”
“Yeah, wow,” was all I could say.
My boyfriend was so impressed. He actually told me, “If Willie would’ve let you stand on the side of the stage, you should’ve…”
“No, they definitely showed me out.”
Clang! Clang! Clang! “Whiskey River” kicked into gear, bottles – and a few drunks – started raining into the water between seats and stage. It was raucous. Lots of bikers, as well as kickers and redbecks. They came to dance, throw down and get lit.

By the time Kristofferson returned to the stage for a bawdy “How Do You Feel About Fooling Around” and “Circle Be Unbroken,” the place was unraveling. This was the power of unadorned music thrown to the crowd like gold coins and roses; people scrambled to grab what they could of the moment, to pull those emotions towards them.

Imagining this must’ve been what the Allmans were like in their prime, I held the back of the seat in front of me, a little dizzy. One man had a hand in getting President Carter elected, the other made landmark films like “Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore.” Both of them had talked to me; I would be in a daze for days.

 

“Here Comes That Rainbow Again,” to drop one song in among all the others, speaks so much to the way those men saw the world. Set in a café, dust bowl nowhere kind of town, a waitress took mercy on two hungry-eyed kids, telling them the candy they coveted was two-for-a-penny; it was exactly the money the children had.

A truck driver asks the waitress about why she did it. She asks, “What’s it to you?” believing in kindness over the straight bottom line. To her surprise, when the two truckers leave, there’s a small windfall at the table. Chastened by her kindness, they raised her ante and left a tip to say that kindness is the way.
An O. Henry short story over a classic folkie kind of melody, Kristofferson suggested what doesn’t kill you is worth indulging if it gives someone a little magic or breaks their melancholy. In the brightness and innocence that washed away the cynicism and world weary, the Songwriters Hall of Famer who received their Johnny Mercer Prize transformed anyone who listened.

 

When The Highwaymen, produced by Chips Moman, turned Waylon, Willie, Kris and Cash into the first true supergroup, the buzz was deafening. Tower Records’ PULSE assigned a cover story to me; all I had to do was juggle classes, superstar availabilities and not choke. At the time, this was the Mount Rushmore of the genre, and I understood even more now than when I’d done the Marine Stadium preview three semesters before.

First thing out of Kristofferson’s mouth, even before “Hello,” was “I just want to alert you: William Blake is still dead!” He laughed. I laughed, It was a riff on a “Saturday Night Live” bit, but it was also a small private joke, shared between the star and the humble scribe.

From being a total dodo to having a private joke? That was what made Kristofferson so lovely. He wanted to take the beat-up kid, find a way to usher her into the club. He wanted to connect some of the dots on the songs; they had Woody Guthrie and Cindy Walker, Ed Bruce’s “The Last Cowboy Song,” Guy Clark and Jimmy Webb, Bob Seger, two Johnny Cash classics, a Steve Goodman/John Prine co-write. We talked songwriters like people swap baseball cards; he spoke of what was inside the ten selections that made the album
It was strength without bullying, manly, not machismo. There were themes of social conscience, of passing time and tough places. These weren’t party songs, but things to make you think about the state of the world, how people treat other, who we throw away. It was smart and sobering as a work, and rich in terms of what we talked about.

He thanked me when he hung up, told me it was always a pleasure. I thought, that’s because you’re so good to talk to. Anyone not enjoying talking to you? They’re not doing it right.

Of course, Kristofferson was getting ready to get back into the water as an artist. He had a film with Nelson called “Songwriter,” a madcap sticking it to the Boss Hog music industry guy that looked like fun to make – and gave you a sense of how Nashville was when the creatives really were their own class of people. Independent, figuring out how to work between the lines, ready to hit the road, willing to go to any length for a practical joke and looking for a hit without selling out.

But Repossessed, a decidedly political album of social reckoning, was coming. It pulled no punches, threw down and drew lines. “Mean Old Man” and “Anthem ‘84” set the tone for a cruel, consumed by consumerism world and “They Killed Him” called out a culture that killed its visionary leaders, slaying them to never have to consider the truths Ghandi, Martin Luther King and the Kennedys put forward.

It was bold, and it struck a nerve if you listened. Most people chose to tune the radicalism out, marginalize the movie star who’d not had a hit album in a long time. When the phone rang at my desk at the Palm Beach Post, Kristofferson asked me what I thought. I told him I had hippie babysitters, this stuff is critical – if we can’t come together in peace, we would perish in the divisiveness.

With a band that had Billy Swan and Donnie Fritts, there was plenty of funky grit to go around. An outdoor show, it was a motley audience who showed up. Women swooning, because he was so fine. Vets and bikers who respected his courage for speaking up. Some country music fans who believed in the catalogue of many of their favorite artists. Native Americans who honored the way Kristofferson spoke to and for their heritage.

A melange of humanity, coming together in the songs. We didn’t speak that day. No backstage passes, though I was sure he saw me in the crowd, winked and nodded. That was plenty. Why crowd a legend when you can interview them for the paper?

By 1990, the politics had sharpened. Songs like “Jesse Jackson,” “Third World Warrior” and “Sandinista” left little to the imagination. He didn’t care; wasn’t going to pull his punches. He’d rather make music he believed in, cut live in the studio with his guys, that spoke the truth no one wanted to discuss. He wasn’t desperate, but was raging against a machine that wanted to use pop culture to distract America from what really mattered.

Like Jackson Browne, he spent his time talking to thinkers, leaders, the people on the front lines. He used his platforms – he was still an in-demand actor – to spread what he knew, and he knew plenty. He put his career and his life into the causes he believed in. And he just kept coming.

Somewhere in all of that, he fell in love with an ashy blond who was as fresh-faced and smart as they came. He and Lisa built a life, a family, kids who went in varied directions, saw the world and raised people’s consciousness. Mostly, they were love in action – and they served as an example of what can be if you truly commit and support another human being.

Just the way he looked at Lisa and smiled, you understood why he was the thinking woman’s heart-throb. That is how every woman deserves to be seen, but also respected.

He may’ve been an international superstar, touring the world with the Highwaymen or making any number of films. But mostly, he was a family man and the lover of Lisa. That was his joy, his grounding. In Hawaii, where they moved, all the local children adored him, too, called him Papa Kris – and followed him around, laughing and loving him as their own.

He stood up for the underdog, the little guy, the bullied and the overlooked. When Sinead O’Connor appeared at the all-star Bob Dylan Tribute Concert, held at Madison Square Garden, the air was charged. She had recently torn up a picture of the Pope on “Saturday Night Live,” igniting death threats, boycotts and being denounced by every Catholic organization in the world.

Brave, she took the stage, eyes piercing and seeking. She had come to sing for arguably the greatest songwriter who’d ever lived. Before she could get the first note out, an avalanche of boos hit that stage like a mountain collapse. Unable to withstand the velocity, the Irish songwriter/vocalist collapsed into a cloud of tears — and Kris ran from the wings to shepherd her off, cloaked in his arms.

As soon as he reached the shuddering musician, she proceeded to vomit. The vitrol she’d absorbed had to go somewhere. Kristofferson held her for a moment, assuring her the artists were with her; offering strength and comfort in a dark place, a pummeling moment.

If he didn’t suffer fools, he was generous with his praise. When an Oxford American think piece for his meditation on aging Feeling Mortal crossed the family’s horizon, he marveled that “Holly wrote that?,” no doubt picturing the kid from decades prior. When he saw me, he laughed and told me I’d clearly grown up.

And when “Better As A Memory,” a two-week No. 1, received it’s BMI Award for Most Played Songs of 2008, it was chaos as I teetered up to the stage in my 5” stiletto ballet slippers.

“Can you walk in those things?” BMI Nashville head Jody Williams inquired. “If you can, close your eyes and open them when I say…”
Like a good dancer, his hand slipped to the small of my back. Turning me 80 degrees, I heard now, and opened my eye lids to see Kris with his fingers in his mouth leading a standing ovation with Don Was. Surreal doesn’t begin to cover it, but my feet hurt, my heart was in my throat and tears were in my eyes.

“Can you believe it?” Jody asked. I shook my head no, because, well, it was hard to take in.

Pictures taken, someone escorted me off the stage. Before I could make my way across the room to say “thank you,” they were gone. The CMA Awards were the next day, so most likely they had an early call for rehearsal, or meeting because they were actually in town.

Walking out of our own rehearsal, I was talking to Clint Higham, Kenny Chesney’s longtime manager, about how the runthrough had gone. Coming in and cutting against the grain of rushing talent support teams, Kris was making his way towards us.

“I was so proud of you last night,” he said, taking my hands and looking into my eyes. “That is a damned fine song, Holly. A damned fine song, and you wrote it.”
I just looked at him. Cry? Laugh? Whoop? Busting a smile that was as wide as my face, I said “Thank you, and thank you. When I saw you and Don, I almost lost it.”
“We almost lost it, too,” he said. “Lisa had to tell me it was you…”
“Because you’ve never seen me in a dress.”
“Yes,” he admitted, laughing.

“Well, now you have.”
The talent wrangler came and got him, but we hugged. He told me I’d done good as he walked away, and I felt a little bit taller. If people had scoffed about me writing a song, they forgot I did it under another name so the song could have a life… and it did. If people acted like anyone could do it, like it was my proximity to Kenny that got the song cut, I didn’t care in that moment. Kris Kristofferson told me I’d written a damned fine song.

And when Kenny Chesney went on to co-produce Willie Nelson’s A Moment of Forever with Buddy Cannon, that Kristofferson title track wrecked me. A quiet performance, contemplative, yearning and yet thrilled with what has been shared, Kristofferson’s song was about the hope and wonder that even a transitory connection can yield. It’s not what was lost, it was what was felt.

Listening to Nelson in the studio, a witness to so much living, loss and adventure, the song felt like the wisdom of time. It also felt like a leavening exhale in a realm of shrinking connections, devastation and people lost not to fights or other lovers, but leaving this world.

When Kris began to fade several years ago, a bad diagnosis that Lisa refused to accept, they both hung in, seeking answers that would refute the diagnosis. One came, Lyme disease, and health returned, though the fragility of aging crept up in small degrees.

Still, there was Kris out playing with Merle Haggard’s kids, showing up at Farm Aid, being honored on the Outlaw Country Cruise. There was a tribute album. There was picking up Jerry Lee Lewis’ Country Music Hall of Fame medallion and delivering it to the Killer in Memphis.

Always something, always love.

Always love.

 

The last time I saw Kris, it was from eighteen rows back at the Hollywood. Rosanne Cash, beaming, walked across the stage as her rich, coppery alto followed the gorgeous imagery upwards. “Loving Her Was Easier (Than Anything I’ll Ever Do Again)” may be Kristofferson’s most gorgeous song, and Cash grew up knowing poet laureate of the Outlaw movement long before she was herself a formidable songwriter and artist in her own right.

As the first verse  concluded, she reached her arm to the wings – and Kristofferson, eyes the purest blue of early morning, walked towards her in a parsons coat. Hair white, but flowing over his collar, he beamed right back at her, clearly knowing this was a moment to transcend all of our mortal realities. Rosanne continued to sing, Kris leaned into her and the mic, found his way.
They tangled voices, words, emotions on a song about letting go of someone you loved so they can find something better. Triumph in the sadness, a light that shines from doing the right thing. They both sang from a place of intimacy, a knowing that few can share. Though they had never been lovers, they had been life companions since Rosanne was still a girl – and when he looked into her eyes, you could see the pride he felt for the woman she’d become.
“Dreaming is as easy as believing it was never gonna end…” the song extols. Looking at the legend, Rosanne almost melted with her heart on her sleeve. Kris was savoring all that was, looking at her in pure delight. It was perfect, so perfect Cash dropped out, and let Kris have that final “do again…,” collapsing into his arms in an embrace that spoke to how precious their connection remains.

Turning away from my editor at POLLSTAR, I could feel the tears on my skin. Here was a man who’d seen so much, who should be eternal and always. Here was a man who wrote about hangovers (“Sunday Morning Coming Down”), needing human congress to survive the ache of living (“Help Me Make It Through The Night”), who knew that even when it’s over there’s a place for one last time (“For The Good Times”) and who understood the life-saving grace of surrender (“Why Me Lord”).
He was robust, tender, willing to let go. He spoke to the ‘70s zeitgeist when he wrote, “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…” on “Me & Bobbie McGee.” There was no room for anything but being wholly present, leading with love and standing on the convictions of right and wrong.

For all that he was, he was a distiller of hearts. He offered generations of people seeking to understand a better way to express their longing, frustration and truth. He was fearless, joyous and willing – and as he wrote, “Don’t Let The Bastards Get You Down.”
I promise I won’t. But I can’t say that I won’t cry all night. I can’t say that I won’t stare into space on a plane to the West Coast tomorrow, wondering about losing another beacon of light to the stars above. Too many precious ones are leaving, and I imagine them all sitting around a poker table, laughing and raising the stakes: John Prine, whom he helped launch, and Steve Goodman, Cowboy Jack Clement, his dear Johnny Cash, Ray Price, Sammi Smith, Bobbie Nelson, Waylon, Donnie Fritts, known to all as “the leaning man from Alabam” and so many more rogues, characters and dreamers.

It was inevitable, of course. People age, people fade. But the ones who write such truth, they seem as if they’re immortal.
After suggesting that you were young enough to dream, and I was old enough to learn something new, Kristofferson summed up the seekers condition adroitly. With a demi-chorus, he explained,

“And come whatever happens now
Ain't it nice to know that dreams still come true
I'm so glad that I was close to you
For a moment of forever”

www.hollygleason.com